Von Miltitzen's somewhat more serious dealings with the Church of Saxony ministers at Torgau in the matter of Luther.
A. As Miltitz reports to Chursachsen that the papal court is very unwilling about the delay and has sent him stricter orders - therefore he wants to come to the Elector in Torgau.
328 Miltitzen's letter to the Elector of Saxony, in which he reports that he has received letters from Rome, that the pope is very angry that nothing serious is being done in this matter, and that Luther is still allowed to preach; how he himself has been blackened at the Roman court, and he worries that the ban will break out and the matter will be given to another nuncio. Dec. 8, 1519.
From Cyprian's Documents, Vol. I, p. 408.
Most Serene High Lord and Prince. Your Curffl. Genaden sint meyne vndertenige gehorssame Diensthe zuvoran bereyt. Your Highness and you. I have been on the way to the Lochaw between your Curators. Your Curffl. Genaden to visit, there beside with Ew. Curffl. Genaden Doctor Martinus sache belangennde zw handeln, die weyl Ich mergk und for awgenn ist, dass sich die sachen von tagk zwagk Ergern vnd die lewthe In weyter beschwerungk Jrer gewyßenn gefürt werden und Ew. Curffl. Genaden sulchs von bebestlicher heylikeyt geschrieben, vnd vetterlich ermant, dass Ew. Curffl. The Holy Roman Catholic Church has been asked by the Holy Roman Catholic Church to establish the Holy Roman Catholic Church in the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and to ensure that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is not destroyed during the time that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is in possession of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
My Lord Exalted. I have recently received a letter from Rome stating that the Holy Trinity greatly desires that this matter be brought to such a lengthy conclusion, and has given me serious instructions to demand that the matter be brought to a conclusion. The Most Reverend Holiness does not want the matter to proceed in any way, so I have taken care, Most Reverend, that some bishops have written to the Most Reverend Holiness, and have made a terrible mess of the matter.and indicated how many people are being misled by Doctor Martin's writings and preaching, and added that His Holiness, as a heir of the Christian Church, has the right not to put the matter to other people who will act more diligently against Doctor Martin than has been done up to now, so that his evil actions will be stopped. May Your Grace notice, if it should be given to another than I fear, if it would be taken longer, I have no doubt, Doctor Martinus will not attain such a direction, as I hope God will attain him. It will not happen before the last great day, and I would like to ask your Curffl. Gn. Landen great irthum fulgen darawß mit interdicten vnd andere geistlichen censuren. Thus, most gracious sir, Georgio Spalatin and Hieronymus Rudolf have met me on the other hand, and have not brought me back again, but Hieronymus has told me that it would be good to indicate by my letter to your Curff. Gn. what I want to do about this matter with your Curflector, whom I have pleased. And give Ewr. Curffl. I humbly acknowledge that I will not do anything else with your Cur. Curffl. I have no other business to do with Your Honor than what I have indicated here to Your Grace, concerning Doctor Martinum,
humble Capellan Carolus von Miltitz.
B. What the Elector, who was staying at Lochau at that time, had his ministers negotiate with Miltitz.
329 The Electoral Council's concerns about what should be reported to Miltitzen or written again.
From Spalatin's uuto^rapüo in Cyprian's Urkunden, Vol. I, p. 411. - Regarding this and the two following objections, Seidemann, "Miltitz", p. 20, notes that they are to be placed after December 8, which will be correct. For the trial took place, as No. 331 shows, on Dec. 11 at Torgau.
Most Gracious Sir, upon your request, we consider that you may subsequently write the following opinion to Karl von Miltitz, indicate it or have it rewritten.
First of all, that he is determined to ensure that E. C. G. does not have anything to do with Doctor Martinus' affairs. He has also offered to dispense with him beforehand. As well as Doctor Martinus Widerumb to deprive himself of his C. G. land and principality so that no one can be
1) This is Conssptionig of Mary, since Mary was conceived; the day of Mary's birth is September 8.
neth half to. The complaint is granted without reservation. Thereupon he asked C. G. would not let him come away. Then he would like to make the matter more difficult in other places, then under his C.G.'s authority, and on that basis E.C.G., as the obedient official, and the younger ones against official authority. Halden 2) will, so far in no way geliden. Therefore, who the lack of E. C. G. not gewest vnd noch nith were.
Secondly. That Doctor Martinu's matter would become more serious from day to day, and that the people would continue to complain about their consciences. If E. C. G., who has decided on the matter and has nothing to do with it, would make Doctor Martinu's facts, ler and opinion better or better, as it would not be considered a jrthumb, but rather a rightly founded opinion, by many scholars and merciful people. But E. C. G. can suffer, if it were an error, that it would be established, and that these and all things in the whole of Christendom would be correct, unjust and unjustifiable.
Thirdly, the fact that the matter has so far been settled was not lacking in E. C. G., then he knew that our most gracious Lord of Tryer had granted the matter to be heard and settled at the next Imperial Diet, and that it would thus remain unchanged, who was also to blame on E. C. G.
Fourthly, that. Some bishops wrote in Rome and complained about the matter, each one must be allowed to write what he wants. But it was to be expected that many complaints would have been made, if they had not so often complained in various ways to Doctor Martinus.
Fifthly, because E. C. G. has not been able to do anything about the matter, nor has Doctor Martinus been able to respond to his request. The Royal Council hopes that the Royal Council will not burden the country and the principality with interdicts and ecclesiastical censures. In view of the fact that C. C. G. does not want to give the prince any reason to be obedient to his authority.
Sixth, because E. C. G. would like to please Bebstlicher Heyt. and do it for him, she asks. Jr to indicate which form Doctor Martinus should follow E. C. G., so that he may satisfy Bebstlicher Heyt. that E. C. G. wishes to follow. C. G. will gladly indicate to Doctor Martinus, and to please Bebstlicher Heil, and to present to him what is necessary in the matter, as the obedient son, and will not let Doctor Martinus be comfortably unopened.
2) In Cyprian: "half". But, as can be seen from No. 330, "Halden" is to be read.
330 What is to be said on behalf of our most gracious Lord the Elector of Saxony 2c. Vicarii 2c. is to be discussed with Herr Karln von Miltitz.
From Cyprian's Documents, vol. II, p. 142. - In Cyprian's table of contents, sheet b 3^, this document has the title: "Was mit Herr Karl von Miltitz Doctor Luthers Reise halber gen Trier soll geredet werden. From Spalatini Concept."
Firstly, that our most gracious Lord has received his letter 1) from Torgau and has read his content. And after his C. G. went to the Lochaw because of his death and for the sake that his Curfl. He sent us a letter asking if he would like to make a request for the matter. His Grace then asked to hear the same from him and then to report to his Grace that this letter and submission were quite contrary to his previous action and that it was out of all proportion. Therefore his C. G. im as a countryman, and his father's C. G. has been gracious to him and has therefore also graciously forgiven him for charging himself with this evil matter. Then he wished to remember without doubt what form his C. G. had taken in the past year. G. attributed to the Cardinal Sancti Sixti in the past year, that his C. G. does not want to take anything from doctor Martinus, and wants to abstain from them as much as possible, and that doctor Martinus himself humbly agrees, so that no one may come to trouble and ecclesiastical censures for his sake, to admit to the will of the Almighty, to do from Wittenberg, and to express my most gracious Lord's country and principality. How then all this will be C. G. reported all this to him at Altenburg at his first arrival and insisted that his C. G. wanted to make doctor Martinus' matters necessary, and let him come from his C. G.. Then his C. G. would not like to be other than a Christian prince and obedient son in civil matters. Holiness, and to be found against His Holiness, and not against His Holiness. Holiness. As he asked with all his might, his C. G. will not let doctor Martinus come in any way from then on, but will let him live longer. Then he should come to the other end, the matter may become much more difficult and burdensome, then they were in these lands. And following on your C. G. he-
1) Dec. 8, No. 328.
request doctor Martinus to come and talk to him. Thereupon, they had so much to do with each other, as Charles was pleased to hear, that doctor Martinus agreed to appoint my most gracious Lord of Trier 2c. as a commissioner or judge, and what he would instruct him to do and follow in accordance with the law. Karl von Miltitz then let himself be heard to take his next way to the named Cardinal Sancti Sixti, on his knowledge, will, to do, and if he has nothing to do, and to show the same Cardinal such doctoris Martini's request, and to faithfully prevent it, so that the matter may be settled and executed in a reasonable and faithful manner. So the matter was delayed until between Easter and Pentecost, when he wrote 2) that doctor Martinus should come in haste to Coblentz to have his case heard and discussed by my lord of Trier in the presence of the venerable Cardinal and himself, with the request that he should not encounter any complaint from the Cardinal. Shortly thereafter he wrote 3) that doctor Martinus should not be allowed to come to Coblentz in any way, but that he should see my most gracious lord himself within a few days, and report to his C.G. himself about the circumstances of the case. So on Friday after Vocem Jucunditatis [June 3] he came to my most gracious lord in Weymar and brought his C. G., among other things, a letter from my most gracious lord of Trier, in which my lord of Trier indicated to his C. G. how the matter was to be handled. G. how the said Cardinal and he of Miltitz have sought to demand doctorem Martinum to his C. G., with the request to look into the matter with lead, so that it may be done in the most gentle way, and so that his C. G. may always be able to see it. G. ymmer mögen, nyder gelegt würd 2c. And after the Waltag came in, and this matter thus passed, my most gracious lord of Trier with my most gracious lord the Elector of Saxony 2c. decided in the breaking out of the Waltag at Franckfort that doctor Martinus should be provided for at the next Imperial Diet, that he who is to be murdered for Martin 5) should submit himself to my most gracious lord of Trier to interrogate this matter and to lay it as much as possible. So who it has remained until now. So my most gracious Lord of Trier as the Commissarius has not yet required doctor Martinus, and has not set him any other appointment, regardless of when doctor Martinus of
2) May 3, No. 304.
3) Den II. May, No. 308.
4) The letter of May 10, No. 306.
5) This is Martini, the II. November.
of his C. G. would have shown himself to be fair, and would again have no complaint at his C. G.'s request to appear. But if doctor Martinus has so many judges, and one wants to refer him to the one from Trier, the other to him, and the third perhaps to another, he has to see for himself how it will be. Thus, Karl let himself be consoled at times, that this matter could easily be rejected. Now his C. G. again has nothing to do with doctor Martinu's matters, and will also, as before, express himself about them as much as possible. From all of which it is evident that he alone has caused the matter to be so far torn down, and that doctor Martinus, out of complaisance to his favors, must give himself in reproach to save his Cristl. ere. And because of his C. And because the defect has not existed and still does not exist, he may not judge for what reasons his C. G. lands, as he should have done before, are to be burdened with interdicts and other ecclesiastical censures. However, his C. G., as a Christian prince, has no reason to do so, nor would he like to do so, and his C. G. has always been pleased with the pious wolf way of all Christendom throughout her life, for which reason his C. G. also relies on doctoris Martinis. G. relied on doctoris Martini not to take on any further, but if anything else came of it, no one was to blame. But because he states, among other things, that if doctor Martinus follows his C. G., then he will have his right of counsel. He has done enough in this matter, and will immediately return to Roma 2c. and ask the C. G. to show us how and in what form the C. G. should follow doctor Martinus, so that he may do enough for the C. G.'s sake. Bevel does enough. Then E. C. G. would like to have the matter pointed out to doctor Martino, and what is necessary to help him. Then E. C. G. who has ever been inclined as a Christian Elector and again inclined to His Beatitude and Holiness. He is also inclined to be the obedient son of His Holiness, and to live in fair matters.
Nota in erfarung zukommen welche Bischöfe die fachen mit ihrem schreib gen Rom beschwert haben 2c. und was sust zu wissen gut wer, und bevor was er für bevel in den jüngsten schrifften aus Rom entfangen hett. Item of the interdict etc. To take care of it.
331: What is to be done with Miltitz at Torgau [on Dec. 11].
From Cyprian's Urkunden, Vol. II, p. 148. - In Cyprian's Jnhaltsverzeichniß, Bl. b 3^, this document has the title: "Was mit Herr Carl von Miltitz Doctor
Martinus halber Sundays after Nicolai sll. Dec.1 at Torgau Anno Domini 1519 is to be traded. From Spalatin! uuto^rupüo." - By mistake, Seidemann, Miltitz, p. 21: "M. in Lochau at the Churfürsten. 8""kenck. I, 63 (Dec. II)." However, Seckendorf also reports that the Elector came to Torgau on Dec. 11.
In this way, and to the benefit of our most noble Lord in this matter, I will allow myself to be led to it:
That silence shall be kept, and Doctor Martinus shall not be given cause to write.
Gein Rome have written, his alone spared from this action.
That Mr. Karl drives the matter, and lets himself be incited. If the matter takes this form, he is warned to let it go. Then a complaint should be made, so it comes out of his cause.
Nota, to ask where the glide remained, of which Tryer wrote. 1)
If Doctor Martinus will not be spared, then he shall be spared from my most gracious lord.
Nota, to ask what Her Karl before Bevelh of Tryer, or Bebstl. Heil. hab.
If D. Martinus comes without being asked, he will not be heard gladly in Trier.
What were the ways to indicate what shape come out of the things.
We will gladly help D. Martinus to come to the interrogation according to his will, but that he will be secured.
Why he does not abolish that Emser does not write those at Jutterbock, and others, and does not give Doctor Martino cause.
The disputation at Leyptzig.
What Doctor Martinus is doing is for the salvation of his people, which he is urged to do. For my most gracious lord has commanded him that he shall not give any cause, or move immanently to unwillingness, and shall not take anything burdensome.
Nothing is to be done until the judge makes a decision on the matter. What is then found, it remains in the name of God, and know his grace but not to be denied.
A messenger at Tryer.
Nota Tryers Letter.
Grace ere and wells erzeigt.
The furstellen so acted in this fact.
Doctor Martinus has offered to be obedient, and still is, if he becomes humble. He alone may have fallen to other people.
Doctor Martinus will complain highly, because
1) in No. 306.
the matter is before the commissioner, so that it can be dealt with again.
The matter is before Tryer as before the commissioner, and he shall draw with ban and other complaints.
Do you think, my most gracious lord, that it is done benevolently, and that his C. G. does not deserve this from you. So Doctor Martinus will complain about it. Perhaps one will find pious people who will be sorry for him.